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good evening everybody it is Tuesday evening October 4th year 2022
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we have a show that's rescheduled just at the last minute today episode 170. I'm proud to announce that we have
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a new guest coming onto the program let's give him the next number in the series which is not going to be number
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170 it'll either be a 170.1 or hopefully there'll be 170 dot many eventually
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you can support the program on patreon.com usatonic
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and the guests that we have tonight is uh we he just goes by the name Nick and
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I'm just gonna do a quick introduction here he was actually on a program I've I've
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been communicating with Nick now for several uh months I don't know exactly
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when we we first started communicating with each other obviously Nick is goes a
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little bit uh anonymously as you can see here and I actually met him through the
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community associated with the the raccoon Squad Uh Kevin McCarron and a lot of other good researchers and
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scientists citizen researchers and archivists and so on and so forth worldwide in that community
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uh he is a deep knowledge in the history of HIV and virus research the special
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virus cancer program as he is going to go over tonight his show last week it was
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extremely impressive on uh McDuff II John o'loughlin's backup Channel
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what I really liked about it first of all you'll realize he has a great presentation style uh but sometimes as
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hard as I work to ensure uh not to uh make too many assumptions
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sometimes I just forget and I get a little over my skis and I realize that I have a sometimes a newer audience that
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could use a background prep so uh with that said
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um Nick welcome to the show hi thank you so much for having me
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that's a honor to have you on board my friend well let me do a quick uh you know
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personal bio here hi everybody I appreciate the chance to get to know you this evening uh we're going to have a
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pretty serious discussion about some history and this will intersect several
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different areas by a Warfare hepatitis research and animal animal and
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specifically primate pathogens that have been the focus of U.S academic and
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defense and intelligence experiments for a long long time and then we're
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specifically going to be dealing with one of those primate pathogens which I believe is the source of HIV so this
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fair warning this is an Unapologetic discussion about some maybe new material
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for you we will be discussing some institutions and individuals and in no
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way is this meant to cast aspersions on them or to sum them up say from a career
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perspective there's always a mix of good and bad but we will be revealing and
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sharing some details about our history as in the U.S with these activities that you may or may not be familiar with and
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these are very close you know hitting hitting close to home for anyone who personally has dealt with HIV in their
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own health or in in that of a loved one so fair warning and we have to pull on
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our big boy pants tonight and and that's where we're headed I'm sharing a uh
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right now a timeline that was part of a group of academic materials that I created as I finished at my undergrad
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uh but just one thing if I introduced please please no I I the volume was a little low I had the wrong okay I was
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playing around it was on my end I was playing around with the wrong volume uh the slider so I have the I have that
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fixed right now so apologies to the audience I think it was audible it was just a little low so now it's better now so thank you okay okay
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so this timeline is going to span several different chapters the beginning
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chapter is about science and public health and the intersection of those
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sorts of activities like vaccine trials along with combined with a new science
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that was emerging at the time called eventually became known as medical primatology which means the use of
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primates in medicine and in science then we're going to move forward to sort of the mid to late 60s to a pressure point
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related to Vietnam the pressure on the Nixon Administration the introduction of
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Henry Kissinger into that into that power structure and then what appears to
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be kind of a sleight of hand when they got up on television and pretended that they were no longer going to be doing
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offensive research in biological weapons which we all know today obviously uh you
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know it it there was kind of a shuffling of the car parts and will end up at
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where I believe through the course of a series of hepatitis vaccine trials
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specific groups of men in New York Los Angeles and San Francisco along with
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large regions of Africa were exposed to HIV when we all originally came to you
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know become familiar with it and understand it in the early 80s so that's sort of the Arc of what we're going to
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cover before we dive in Mark any thoughts or or footnotes here
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uh I know this is uh this is great uh I I know that uh you a lot of your work
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was uh inspired by uh uh well did you say your own journey and
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um you discovered the work of Leonard Horowitz I believe which uh ignited uh a
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lot of the paths that you went down and uh there's many many worlds everyone out
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there uh of each of virology research it's like whole networks and sometimes
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the overlap and sometimes they don't uh so if there's a a bunch of information tonight which is as hard as
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you've studied there's new stuff don't let that phase you as hard as Nick has been working and I
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work and and some people in the chat here have been working it's just it's a Monumental amount of information uh so
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uh don't uh don't be dissuaded and we just appreciate the uh this review by the URL is up on top for this timeline
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it's on bitly b-i-t-l-y and uh is it the bib underscore that's
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the that's the bibliography okay for for the material it's important so people
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can people could pull that up they're just gonna see for the most part titles and and generally AMA Citation for the
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materials that uh substantiate this excellent um but we can drop in in your
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chat I can I can send you over the you know the shortcut to the timeline itself here which is up on Google sure
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so folks uh if you didn't know primates have played a big part of public health
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and medical research for decades for the better part of the 20th century they
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were a go-to for experiments as test subjects and then as we saw in you know
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the emergence of a lot of primate diseases in people starting in the 1950s we began to see what is called the
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iatrogenic relationship iatrogenic means caused by a human medical procedure or
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intervention so we know that through the creation of certain newer vaccines and
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trial vaccines using chimpanzee tissue and other types of primate tissue we saw
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the emergence for example of RSV respiratory Sensational virus really
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um I had no idea RSD was also associated with uh or at least correlated with some
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of this vaccine development here's the original name of that pathogen mark chimpanzee Carisa agent
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and they knew that it was a chimpanzee agent because they had just made an experimental product and given it to
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children and many of the children presented with an aggressive pneumonia I have a question and you don't have to
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answer it now because I don't want to get too far of it but at what point
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I I shouldn't throw off your Rhythm but at what point did it go from several scientists genuinely believing it was
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going to work to well it might work but we might learn something
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in the process um my my this is It's a pure supposition
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of course because generally people don't write about that you know the nature of those kinds of decisions as they're
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making them they have to be quite prescriptive literally about their science and their safety steps and all
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of that but I think it was a mixture of um asking for forgiveness instead of
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permission I think certain scientists like Hillary kaprowski would rather go
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and find a population where he was not constrained by uh human testing laws and
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regulations and instead he would be free to explore what will this product do in
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protecting these people against smallpox or hepatitis or whatever it would be and
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and with that hubris also came the problems and those
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problems are at the microscopic level and they manifested in patience and they
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saw it in individual cases of people who had severe or or as they say Adverse
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Events of special interest a aesis uh and you know resulting in things like
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pneumonia or cancer Etc okay so so there's there's a cluster of primate
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pathogens that are now lockstep with human health and some of them have new
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names in front of them like human XYZ germ or human XYZ virus and that's
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because they're differentiating from primate or other animal you know zoonotic uh analogs that are very very
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close and in many cases was the actual original source of humans being exposed
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so that's the that's the hotbed of wild west science and again the name of this
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sort of practice was called medical primatology there's a journal of medical
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primatology and for those of you that like to dig in the peer review materials it's quite an experience trying to get
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your hands on them you can find bits and pieces you can find individual articles
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sometimes full chapters once in a while a full you know like a full volume but
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generally it's very difficult to get your hands on those materials because it's full of culpability and they know
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it at this point they they know what was you know what was happening in the timeline and I didn't call this out last week but
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there's a link to the full documentary called the origins of AIDS now this is
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about the African side of the story and we'll go very quickly through you know just sort of a snapshot of what this
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event uh what occurred and and my feelings my my conclusions are opinions
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um what it does and doesn't mean to the overall HIV narrative uh someone in the chat did ask about your feelings about
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the uh the work of Edward Hooper which somewhat actually that's the cover of the book that you're showing right there
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so yep it could be now or whatever uh that oh this is this is the documentary yes so he's featured these are these are
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intertwined he's featured in the documentary and my feeling is quite frankly tremendous respect for him as an
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investigator for his tenacity in staying on the story and in facing the kinds of
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criticism and resistance that he did I have read his rebuttals to all of the
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garbage that came out of the Royal Society meeting if you watch this you'll see that event documented briefly but
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you know it's it's the only you know it's the only footage that I've ever seen of those discussions
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um and I think that he's quite a quite an amazing researcher and I'd say a citizen scientist definitely
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um what I know about his opinion of the American side of this story is also
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interesting he did not want to discuss this over email with me I approached him
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years ago and although he was cordial and engaging initially he said I cannot
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and will not continue to discuss this over electronic uh transmission uh and I
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you know he said the reason for this is that I've been approached by MI6 and essentially been threatened
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now he didn't he didn't have a recording I I don't have any more data than that but that's that was his account of you
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know why he was going to be difficult to communicate with I have a couple of academic colleagues
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uh I I at this point I'm not gonna I'm not gonna bring them out of the closet but they have actually met and
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interviewed him uh we we actually have a mutual acquaintance that's Chris Newby
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and Chris interviewed Ed Hooper when she was just over in the UK so those are
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some of my thoughts on Ed's work Chris Newby of the uh uh bitten yeah I believe
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and we had her on for a uh uh for a big round table yes that was excellent you made that possible so thank you for that
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so um but that's those are those are my thoughts on Ed you will see in this documentary uh the conduct of science
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you'll see the things that scientists say and then what is then contradicted
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both by other eyewitnesses and by evidence um and you can come to your own
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conclusions about whether or not these scientists felt uh they could be transparent and and operate with
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integrity under the the scrutiny of Mr Hooper's work
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um I do not support the concept that the
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opv trial from 57 to 60. was the source of African AIDS what was
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opening trial again I'm sorry uh oh sorry the oral polio vaccine vaccine
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that's what that's what Dr kaprowski is is you know I would assume is working with right here so that is a uh one of
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the more accepted hypotheses or is that a counter narrative it's a it's a
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Discord it's I I I'm Gonna Hurt somebody's feelings if I was just okay
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it's a it's a it's a red-headed stepchild okay it's it's a piece of the
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narrative and I can I in my work you know in my timeline here I'll sh I can
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show you where I slot it in and it's critical it's a watershed event but I
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don't believe that raw SIV in the way that they were preparing these field
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batches of polio vaccine which were then sprayed into the mouth of the villagers
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um it was not this was not an injection campaign um I don't think there was any evidence
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at all of virology of doing these you know changing viruses moving viruses you
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know gain of function or recombinant DNA technology as it became known um I think that it was a hotbed of
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exposure and here's what I mean by that so let's move forward in time
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uh sv40 at the same time that all this is occurring is in a an increasing state
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of debate and contention among national leaders Pharma defense Health
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authorities Etc as the FDA whistleblowers are trying to ring the bell and get people to be aware hey we
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found a contaminant in commercial vials of vaccine that were ready to go into somebody's arm and we put it into
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animals and within weeks they presented tumors and the animals died and they had scientists they had colleagues
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independently verify their findings um but that's that's in the backdrop as
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all of this is occurring and kaprowski and his team from wistar are over in Africa doing the opv trial
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and it all sort of converges at a
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session that they have at what I call the demilitarized zone it's a series of
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buildings and laboratories on Long Island called Cold Spring Harbor labs and it's been a site where Federal and
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defense and academic leadership have met in a demilitarized area in a space where
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it's off the Record what they say and what gets recorded and put out in the
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papers is that their control and it's very interesting to see some of our federal and elected leadership going
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there for you know sort of Camp David sessions about science and public health
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it all sort of converged here I think the audience would find it interesting to review what you know we when we hear
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numbers like in sv40 it may sound like a like a formula or an atomic weight of
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something but in reality the origins of Simeon virus 40 is not a measurement in
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that respect could you just review that quickly absolutely so the Simeon virus
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contaminant chart is what it is what we're talking about with sv40 it was the
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40th entry on that table of of uh contaminating pathogens found as the
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result specifically of Simeon products or Simeon you know full animals being
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used in the production of human medicines including experimental therapies they kept tracking oh no there
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were more than 40 at least 39 before yeah it goes up into the 70s when I lose
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track of it because most all of them became renamed they went from being
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Simeon virus 49 to you know uh you know ssiv or you know mpmv Mason Pfizer
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monkey virus things like that so they had a they had a very basic kind of you
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know codification in the early you know 60s when they were starting into this work and then very quickly whoever
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discovered it pretty you know in in in short order put their name or their
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institution um on the patent and subsequently named the pathogen so of things which could
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have potentially been discovered at least 70 made it to the point where they were discovered at least symptomatically
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and I think it's safe to assume I'm sure you would agree that uh they didn't just take the other 69 and go uh we won't
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look at those anymore we and we this all this is from what we know just about one of them who knows
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what happened to the other 69 or give or take wow
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so we just took a side street over into sv40 we were talking about the polio campaign in Africa and I said that they
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do tie together this meeting is one one space where
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they were certainly focused on Simeon contaminants and problems with vaccines
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they were just bringing the kaprowski field tests in for landing which again
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was a private institution it was The wistar Institute not the FDA or the CDC
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but everybody was watching you know they all watch each other's work and both both topics were braised although the
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the obviously the the star of the show was sv40 and Dr Bernice Eddy trying to
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cry out for Humanity to stop the use stop right now don't use any primate you
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know blood tissue Etc they called them fractional components in any further
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experimental medicines until we have a much better handle of what these risks are how many of them cause disease Etc
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she was defunded and right about this time Dr Maurice Hillman who was a newer
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virologist at The Merck Corporation stepped forward and published a paper
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with uh his his colleague Dr sweet called sv40 the vacuulating virus and in
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typical form as as was the you know the the custom at the time a white man took
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over a woman's work and and you know usurped her uh her Authority and she was
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very quickly sort of moved away from her whistleblower role and eventually ended
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up leaving federal employment as I understand it and becoming an educator
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and they said oh no sv40 is no risk we have formal in you know we wash the
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cells they're fine there's no problem there's no cancer in there meanwhile the cancer industry was spinning up in the
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background enter Dr Robert Gallo look at that very handsome dude oh yeah do you just yeah
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it looks like uh uh who is it uh Grandpa Munster uh the the uh the esteemed Dr
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Gallo joined a small team in an NIH contract which was awarded to bianetics
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Laboratories that was one of three or four pieces of a large biowarfare entity
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called Litton bayonetics and they stayed in the game for decades and they changed
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their name constantly they would have a spin-off a new startup Etc and suddenly they were something else
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um to me that seems like uh strategic avoidance of culpability but you know
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that's only because I have very strong feelings about these people that did this work the point is Dr Gallo began
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looking for pathogens in primates that cause cancer that's what carcinogenic
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means um so cancer is a complex bundle let's stop and do a quick check our Sanity on
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what do we all think cancer is there is no one formula for it there is no one
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active ingredient cancer leukemia sarcomas and lymphomas come in a
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spectrum of presentations and they are generally related or correlated to
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one or more infectious infectious agents generally called a primary carcinogenic
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pathogen and a helper virus that's some of the language you will see in the
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documents from the time he went off into the Wilds of primate tissues and blood
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and since they were already using them they had been using them for years in experiments as test subjects for their
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tests you know for their experimental vaccines and as well as providing the
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actual tissues to create new products and his job was to find new germs that
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cause cancer quite interesting that he ends up discovering quote unquote HIV and the
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reason that this is such a Dark Link is that SIV cpz SIV from the chimpanzee is
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the genetic predecessor to HIV type 1 which is what broke out in America in
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Europe and in most of the world hiv-2 only broke out on the west coast of
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Africa and it comes from a different animal uh I not to get too far down that path
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but I've heard that HIV too is uh less carcinogenic or less pathogenic
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um I I'm sure there's many other different subtypes but so so you you have evidence or it's generally
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understood that they are sourced from different primates hiv-1 and HIV two at the minimum
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yes okay that's that's well established in the literature just those those two main branches once we put the H in front
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once it becomes a human there are other sivs one person there's been a there's
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been a whole lot of research into sivs using units from sivs like cleavage
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sites things like that and making chimeras with them from a variety of different animals there's from little
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teeny tiny monkeys to the great apes there's a whole spectrum of sivs uh one person in the chat said that uh
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Gallo is a POS I think that probably stands for some academic title we don't
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need to expand upon that yes we'll look on that we'll look at he's a person he's a person of science
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that's beautiful okay person of science I am not a person of science yeah
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neither are you okay so uh what we see as this special virus
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cancer program that's that's the little collection think of uh think of water
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world with all those boats latched together and they're just roughing on living out on the open ocean uh the
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special virus cancer program was a whole network of individual honeycomb cells in
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you know small groups of two to maybe ten scientists at the most in most cases
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working on a project specific to the functions of cancer identifying cancer
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in all forms and in all species and quite disturbingly moving pathogens from
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other animals that that appear to be involved in the presentation of cancer into human beings this was in the United
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States and it was funded by the Department of Defense National Institutes of Health and other
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intelligence agencies and maybe some others the department of energy oh doe of course Q clearances which is as I see
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it my opinion is it's a slush fund for legal activities it's also the highest level of
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clearance clearances you can get is always doe so yes of course the atomic
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the the yeah okay yeah exactly but if you notice the logo for the virus cancer program has a little uh
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radiation symbol somewhere in it and I've always joke with people you know all you need to do is put a little
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reactor next to someone and you don't have to tell anybody what you're doing brilliant
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there you go yep what are the other ones there yeah the little symbol uh well there's a mouse uh these are molecules
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there's a there's a flask and there's a person and here's activity moving them
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back and forth back and forth and radiation this would represent um attenuation so let's let's stop and
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talk about sort of the basics of what this program did it was like a mullet okay a really bad mullet so party you
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know a business up front party in the back up front the pr was we're fighting
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the war on cancer in the back where all kinds of programs
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that had nothing to do with stopping cancer they were cooking up new ways to make cancer they were combining two
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three or four viruses and helper viruses together to see which one could win the race think of a horse race that's
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precisely the format that a lot of these you know these chimeric projects
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followed they would take a cat germ that they saw making leukemia in cats
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and they would transfer it into hamster cells and literally jump the species
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barrier they CA they they it became so sophisticated and there were so many
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papers about it and they couldn't keep their mouths shut about it they kept publishing but the really important
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stuff friends isn't necessarily in the peer-reviewed journals it's in the very
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clear and we'll say summary language of the annual progress reports these were
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written by the scientific teams to their NIH and defense leadership so they
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didn't get down into arguing molecular this and fearingly cleavage cite that they do have a degree of scientific
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detail but it's in language that most anyone can pick up and follow along with
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and I happen to put in a link to the last progress report it's over 300 pages
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from 1978. it's a notable part about it besides the horror story oh by the way
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in this document all of the yellow markup and the hand handwritten notes
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are from my esteemed you know mentor and colleague
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Dr Alan Cantwell who died at the beginning of 2021 but that's who the markup is from but you can come in here
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and see the projects the individual experiments the people that were getting paid the project IDs the locations the
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universities the agencies more importantly with this particular year is you can see how they didn't break
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anything down they didn't waste a thing they they integrated all of these
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BioWare biowarfare functions which at the time was still called recombinant DNA technology right into the ongoing
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NIH framework so they said oh you need a home come live here then I went forward into the
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80s and confirmed that you know years later they still had a full active
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Department of recombinant DNA technology which is biowar bio war biowar the NIH
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or the department of NIH NIH but the NIH is not you you and I can't elect a a
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director NIH correct it's a it's a it's one of those you know as we say the
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shadow government or however you know whatever your flavor is but an unelected group of officials and the board of the
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NIH is populated in high percentage by defense department positions
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hmm I did not know that yeah I go I go and look at all other stuff all their fun
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stuff so they're having fun they're building a network of uh primate facilities across the U.S you might have
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lived or or heard of someone who worked near one the XYZ Primate Research Center
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there were a lot of them they were there to examine and track animals that were
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subject to experiments and also to provide materials for the scientists to do the more laboratory-based items one
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of the major primate centers in the Northeast was lemsip in New York
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and they were practicing as I said and refining their capability at inducing
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cancer with combinations of oncogenic viruses and helper viruses
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here's that little guy that started hiv-2 oh with his dirty kidneys the
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[ __ ] mangabee darn you for having dirty kidneys you dirty little monkey
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so um one of the questions that comes and I know I I'm going to try and burn this
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down for anybody that's doing equivocations in their own mind right now I'm sorry to do this to you but it's
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important um one of the most important pieces for me was to accept the intent
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just like a legal case right there was an intent and it wasn't a single
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scientist it wasn't one person that had it in for the blacks in the gays it was
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a top-down effort to create what they did and how it was used was another
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conversation that didn't happen here but this is the only slide that I will read this is a quotation from Dr Donald
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MacArthur and I know that you've spoken about him and you you probably have a wealth of information beyond what I do
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on the gentleman but this was someone who was at the head of research and
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technology in the U.S army yes discussing the capabilities that they felt they were they were able to offer
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Congress and the U.S state Department so here comes the quote quote within the next five to ten years
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it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could
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differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms most
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important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we
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depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease end quote and
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they didn't get the money that year there was a whole lot of press about biowarfare Nixon went up on the
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television in November and said we're no longer going to pursue uh offensive
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biological weapons will will only maintain our defensive projects and then
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he took his black Sharpie he and Henry Kissinger went over and scribbled out offensive and wrote defensive on
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everything it was a pure spin job and I say that based on reading the actual
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Declassified White House memos during the era then Mark even the even the descriptors
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like the summaries before you click on the actual PDF are still trying to spin
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that the president and his establishment were definitely in alignment with the you know the Accords you know
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International Accords they were not doing anything illegal and then you go and read what they were actually telling
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you know head of CIA head of Defense Etc and they redefined what chemical meant
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for one for one step so they said that because there are
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chemicals used in the lab for biological warfare that a biologically based project could
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be classified as chemical so that was one of the little nuggets
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that I that I eeked out and I would encourage anybody that's a you know a history or as or a particularly
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presidential buff to go back and read a couple more of these as they they go into Very Much Information Management it
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seems it seems like uh the the covid teams took a page out of Nixon and Kissinger's book would you say I'm sorry
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I'm sorry please please I will just I will hold my hand up I I please continue I I despise cutting people off oh no it
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was it was it I was just going to finish by saying it was all about getting cbw
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out of the press's mouth they didn't want anybody saying chemical biological
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warfare they were hot on that topic so they were going to spin spin spin but
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the projects themselves of moving a chimpanzee germ that caused leukemia in
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a patient and isolating it and making it more and more virulent and causing more
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and more aggressive disease and playing with it that way that was pure cbw
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and none of those projects stopped so that's that's the other that's the other side of why I say you know this
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was just a spin job oh and and these these two slides are we could do hours on this stuff so I have a couple of
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comments here one is um or questions one is would you say that the uh the public
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response to the term chemical warfare at least at that time was more people were
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more worried about chemical warfare than than the potential for biological warfare is that an inaccurate uh
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statement um I've got to say that you know I I
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wish I could have been alive during that era you know been an adult and been able to to trap that history but I'd say that
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the things that were really making making the headlines were along more towards Monsanto and
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agent orange and Veterans who were getting press and getting time on NBC
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and talking about their exposures and their and their you know their illness so I I I I would surmise that
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um I'd say from from the U.S Public's perspective they're probably more concerned about chemicals because they
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were seeing it that's what was that's you know that was the Hot Topic from the behavior of the CIA and the way
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that in 1973 uh then director Helms and the the poisoner in Chief Dr Sydney
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Gottlieb destroyed an Untold amount of materials about their activities during this time I'd say internally the concern
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was that the public would find out about all the biological stuff excellent the other question is and
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again just so many well I'm not going to do them all because I don't want to throw it off too much but uh you said
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something that was really uh just wanted to reiterate it and uh and the audience will see perhaps uh the what this could
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mean is we're not questioning or it wasn't questioned whether or not something that
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was removed or from the body of a primary a primate when put into a human
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was causing illness was causing cancer it's also interesting though that it was
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removed from primates that were not necessarily sick meaning there's a possibility that what
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was causing the illness in the person wasn't necessarily an illness in the
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primate which opens up a big door about just the whole world of how we're doing
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virus definitions I Know It uh it uh well I'm not doubting what had happened
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but uh it's often presented as the virus
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which is presumed to be bad of the primate became the virus of the person and there may be a little bit more
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Nuance to it than that I don't know if you disagree with that statement or if you'd like to respond to it
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well so I already said earlier on that we when we were talking about that table that catalog of the Simeon viruses How
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names change for those non-nerds out there and bless your hearts uh that's
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etiology you know the the evolution of naming you can talk about ancient Greek
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you know to contemporary Greek whatever but um I think that
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as we describe the observable science and I you know I lean heavily on
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microscopies you know the electron microscope is seeing is not knowing
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seeing is believing when you when we watch uh for example this is a
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microscopy back here when we see virus budding off of another cell like
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essentially we might call these exosomes we might call those virions we might
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call them virus but we see them literally budding out of a healthy cell and the cell dies for me that's a cause
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and effect that's that's quite specific and when we see high concentrations of
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what originally the language was they called them filterable agents and from there we began developing our our
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further our diagnostic capabilities sorting them into buckets different sizes from different animals etc etc but
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when we see the presentation of you know higher concentrations of these
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in tumor or in a lymph that is infected or is presenting cancer Etc you know
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that for me weighs closer towards correlation and moving towards cause and effect
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how we slice and dice for example is this the one state that this little
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bugger is in or does it go like a frog from three or four you know does it go through a life cycle is it sort of a
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blob at one point like a mycoplasma and then it has a a cyst form and then it's
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a larger more complex form there's all kinds of complexity there so I'm not
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worried about nailing it down to some a b c and it's got to be codified like
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that I know there's there's as much complexity in disease period as there is in the world of cancer and you know
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essentially neoplasia so I'm open to these uh gray areas of you know
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understanding what really happens when X Y or Z disease presents and we not only
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found this little bugger but also his friend the mold and we found bacillus
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thuringenesis we found X Y or Z mycoplasma you know I think we're going to get better and better at putting the
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whole picture together and right now we've just gotten very confident with ourselves in science because we can take
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great pictures of things and we can do particular forms of atomic tunneling and
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you know we can tune our Imaging chemically and anatomically to filter and highlight and things like that you
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know we we we're so excited that we understand it all because we can see it better than we ever have but I think
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we've we've got a long way to understand um the full picture the uh the study of
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virology has advanced the field of genetics perhaps more than anything else it just highlights how interconnected
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all of these things are and again I'm not question at all questioning the
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illnesses and the cancers which have been caused but again the the way things
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have been termed the terms which we've been using the buckets we've been putting in things into have been
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evolving over time sometimes in a good way sometimes to perhaps mask certain
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things which have been done um and uh anyways that was a great response uh thank you Nick
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absolutely um this is a this is a spot that I don't necessarily drill into normally but I
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wanted to I wanted to sort of ring the bell for you as it were you have a very very capable audience here listening to
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you so excellent one of the best on the internet excellent so this is an area that I see
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cited and the use of a laboratory material called ALS now
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there's tons of abbreviations and scientific citation and nomenclature and
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as I read from the 50s to the today it's
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like probably three or four different com almost completely different generations of language and Etc
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um you know what you see in a science paper today is a light year difference than the kinds of papers we saw here but
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I did see noted again and again including in that paper with with Bob Gallo from 1962 as they were you know
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Columbus chart setting out over the Uncharted Seas to find the new world we're gonna go find the new uh primate
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germs that cause Cancers and leukemias and I think they did but they discussed
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in that paper using this substance let's talk about why this might be another
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Smoking Gun anti-lympocytic Serum is produced for
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the purposes of a biological experiment in the lab it's generally made made from
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the blood and it would be in most practices isoligus which means if you're
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doing a experiment on giraffes you would use giraffe blood if you were doing a
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hamster experiment hamster blood Etc so when they were doing all of these
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hepatitis and yellow fever and malaria Etc experiments on chimpanzees including
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trying to develop vaccines for them infecting the animals and making them
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sick and watching the progression of the disease and trying different interventions in some cases and then
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with the more strange and exotic and unknown ones the ones that caused cancer and Leukemia watching all of that very
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carefully they also would have made ALS from chimpanzees
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so the same risk of all of the people that got that oral polio vaccine
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across the Congo region in Africa getting a raw basically you know just a
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raw exposure to chimpanzee SIV when they got that stuff squirted in their mouth
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by the way the paper is the detailed the children the teenagers everybody that
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was getting cancer and Leukemia it was generally in the soft palate or in the jaw bone so that's that's an interesting
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correlation to the fact that they got an oral Administration but I think that
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this risk persisted and they were largely unaware that they were not
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successfully or effectively inactivating this product that they would make so if
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you were doing a chimp experiment you might use the kidneys so
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you would vivisect them from the live animal so that you don't create that toxic chemical Cascade when you kill an
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animal there's a there's a wave of chemistry that flows through the body um well you kill anybody and so they
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would stun the animal instead they would basically chemically stun it and they would do a lie to the section you would
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use the kidneys as the substrate but then you would take the blood and potentially make a batch of ALS they
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changed which is where it killed them just because to avoid uh the the different uh reactions it would
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completely change the nature of the tissue yeah it would start the tissue into a necrotic process and they needed
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to sustain viable cells without necrosis as long as possible for the purposes of
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the vaccine so the point being is that I believe that the risk persisted and that ALS
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that was produced from primates specifically from chimpanzees could easily have resulted in test animals and
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or people that presented leukemias or Cancers and became again of note to the
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scientists like Gallo he found a patient who got some kind of a primate exposure
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it doesn't say in the paper how the person got a primate leukemia virus but
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he found her and took her blood in the early 70s and created a cell line from
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them and those experiments appear in his papers again and again all the way up until 1978.
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and he's passaging it out of her he's taking he's taking that virus and putting it in new animals and
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demonstrating that it causes cancer uh he's recombining it and making new chimeras
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he was doing all of the Frankenstein stuff all from you know in a span of the
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eight years leading up to the outbreak of AIDS do you know if he had a mentor or someone who inspired a lot of his work
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I'm sure that there were many around him we can go back and look at the original papers it doesn't mean that the people
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that he was assigned to in a program or a project were actually his his prefer you know the people that that he really
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followed um they may have been there to challenge and stimulate each other's work I I can't say but one way to look at at that
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and verify it Beyond his own Memoirs um is to see who he chose as a reviewer
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um if there's anything in his ephemera in the National Library of Medicine you can see certain items that are you know
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personal letters conference minutes things like that and you might you might pick up things like that there are
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probably people for example like uh who who wrote um science fictions is that John crutson
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did you did you read science fictions no no I did not okay yeah he has all of the
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foia communications back and forth between the Pasteur Institute and the NIH and the NCI during the HIV patent
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fight he pulls the curtain all the way back and there's The Wizard of Oz standing there and yeah it's all about
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it's all about Gallo so we can yeah I'm sure I'm sure he's probably got some
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great insights there that might be a good place to start on this Wikipedia page is a picture of him uh Happy photo
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group photo of him in uh Saban Sabine excuse me
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um I think uh Sabine was the uh he wasn't the oral he was the black
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injected polio vaccine um I think yeah Sabine was uh the competitor to
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capacity yeah which would uh when you think about it it would uh
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injecting uh material from uh monkey kidneys into the blood it just you know
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I'll tell you what I want if you want to know a successful marketing campaign it's convincing
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people that injecting material from a monkey kidney into your own bloodline
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somehow is the recipe for being healthy that is that is perhaps the most
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successful marketing campaign in history I could be wrong but that's just my own opinion anyways
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thank you well no not at all I I appreciate it we have we have time for discussion and uh by the way are there
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any I'm not able to watch the chat as I'm presenting are there any questions or points that we might want to stop and
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and circle back uh one person asked about your thoughts on a Liam chef
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s-c-h-e-f-f not seen that right it's an Irish name uh it it rings a bell but I I don't know
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who Leanne is okay there's a couple of other things which we'll uh we'll take off line if I missed
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a question to the chat I I apologize so uh please continue okay
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um Willow Willowbrook sort of enters think think of the HIV story uh as kind
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of Vining Ivy and there's a Vine that begins way back in the mid 50s at a school called Willowbrook and it was a
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huge National Scandal it was if I believe it was the largest uh mental
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health facility at the time and it was populated primarily by children who were Wards of the state parents who had
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signed over the autonomy of their children to a certain degree and then with an additional waiver they could get
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a fee and their children could be included in hepatitis experiments with Dr Saul Krugman and Dr Alfred Prince I
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told you this is a vine that sort of winds its way around well chimpanzees were a long-term part of the Hepatitis B
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fight and they were used as a test animal also chimpanzees were used as viral
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mixers so they would literally put Hep B from a human patient into a living chimp
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wait for the animal to become chronically infected and have a high high tighter High concentration of the
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virus kill the animal collect the virus from the animal and of course all kinds
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of other artifacts from their blood and then use that as the basis for a human vaccine product
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so that was that was one pathway where SIV was a constant risk in scientific
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research particularly in the hepatitis hepatitis space the doctors that were
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exposed Krugman and Prince ended up getting you know a black eye from this
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when Geraldo Rivera got somebody from the facilities crew to give him a key to
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the side door and he came in with a camera team and blew the cover on this thing and the children were in horrible
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health and it was a squalor and it was awful and the whole United States clutched its pearls no way that was
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Geraldo Rivera yes well he must have been young this was he was 72 yeah this
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was before he could send nudies on the internet um so uh did I say that uh so yeah so
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the scientist that took a black eye were Krugman and Prince Alfred Prince ends up shortly after this
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hit the fan going over and becoming part of the vi lab 2 leadership team I think
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he led the the New York blood banks operational chapter um at the violab 2 facility with
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chimpanzees and hepatitis vaccines and Saul Krugman became the uh safety
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officer the safety officer for the men gay men's hepatitis trial New York San
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Francisco Los Angeles Etc now vilab is that the lab that was eventually shut
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down and then some of the chimpanzees were retired to Liberia or is that the name that it had in Liberia it had that
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name in Liberia and then it was literally they they dug new canals to
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create sub islets um and to keep because the chimpanzees will not swim so they could keep them
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you know they they got them cordoned to certain space and that's the the same animals that are featured in blood
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Island blood island is a free like a 15-minute mini documentary about just
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kind of the state of the chimps and a team interesting history here Mark a
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team that took care of them for a period of time and one of them the husband of this husband and wife team ended up
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working getting funding from Eco Health Alliance eventually yep uh so I have
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pictures of him dancing with Peter dashak Did You Know by the way uh I
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didn't know that the backstory that you just said uh but in a recent history I
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think it was in February that lab burnt down along with a bunch of the paperwork
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so somehow a lab in the middle of a rainforest in Liberia caught fire it could happen
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uh but it was it was earlier this year sadly and uh that does take the lives of
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the animals with it fortunately no people were hurt but yes so things have still happening there
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but what's happened in the last few months that we've known each other yes yes indeed it feels like it feels like
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years or decades um I've just sent over the shortcut it's
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a bitly address folks it's the address to this presentation that we're looking at right now and in line in this
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presentation not only is the bibliography which has a whole bunch of full text links in it I can't give a
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full text link to everything but there are some important ones that I did there's also some individual artifacts
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and the link to the documentary are in line on the different slides so Mark can share that over to you guys over the
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main Channel but I put it in the I put it in the zoom chat so I will uh I will
55:51
I will tweet it out and I will um I will share it on my uh my patreon as well uh
55:57
obviously because of YouTube I can't leave this up forever uh and then it gets into replicating uh comments and
56:04
between the different uh platforms very hard to do but I will at least make it available on the on those two platforms
56:10
where I can leave it up Twitter and uh patreon and thank you for making those available and being so well organized
56:17
and meticulous about this well this so let's just stop right here uh somebody made a comment last week
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saying that that my work was basically a reiteration I don't I forget the words
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she used but someone commented she's like this is a reiteration of Horowitz what an amazing compliment thank you so
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much for that absolutely I am magnifying um the Fantastic forensic uh and
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anthropologic work of Dr Leonard Horowitz and his colleagues Dr Ellen
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Cantwell who just passed and uh Dr Robert strecker and his brother Teddy
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who are the OG whistleblowers who did not have the science nailed down in the
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in the 80s prior to the announcement that SIV came from chimps I mean the the
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one you know the the main culprit came from chimpanzees um they got they got shut down right as
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that news was was hitting the scientific headlines because Teddy was killed Teddy
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was found shot in his apartment and a month later Senator Huff state senator Huff from Illinois the one person of
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note who really engaged with them on the science was found dead in his apartment
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and that really shut up the whistleblowers you know they a couple of them published Horowitz published uh Ed
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Hooper published The River but nobody would really go back and poke the bear of putting you know the the tailing you
57:45
know putting putting the the tail on the donkey and saying we know right where this stuff came from and why and how it
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was conceived and the source animals where these different pathogens came from and by the way there's something in
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here for everybody there's cancer there's pneumonia you know there's all
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kinds of stuff that we need to go back and really look carefully at this flowchart here on the 1972 slide is the
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one place where they pull the whole end-to-end operation together in a flow
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chart I'm not going to pop that open that's an Easter egg for those of you who go out and take a look at the
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Timeline save that PDF replicate that PDF it's paid for by public money none
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of the material is class classified thousands of people have these documents at this point in the time you know I've
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been I've been doing this for about five years now but before me yes absolutely Horowitz Cantwell Hooper the streckers
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um uh Tom Curtis who wrote an excellent piece in the Rolling Stone about the opv
58:51
trial and really influenced Ed Hooper's work and again he made a scientific error he named the wrong monkey
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um and then there's a rolling stone retracted its article but oh so much work went into it and he had so much of
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the story correct but the coming back to the point of the obv trial and the Gap
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to when quote unquote AIDS really emerged I'm filling in all of those bricks right
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here that's you know this is where it happened there were there were ongoing operations to play around with bio
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Warfare and there were communities that were definitely uh uh losing stock value
59:29
like when gays got decriminalized or de-listed as a pathology there was a
59:35
whole big uproar in the conservative Community about the damn homosexuals taking over our cities
59:41
and we already know that there are people who build Lifestyles around hating other kinds of people
59:47
so pointing you know pointing a finger at Africa and saying we we need those resources for ourselves we don't need
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Africans it's not difficult you don't have to go far to find a society or a group that
1:00:01
wears a cloak or Cape or not that you know has those kinds of convictions so
1:00:07
that's where the proof of Concepts came in I think there were I think that the U.S population gave the American
1:00:13
scientist an opportunity to watch very carefully and basically control the epidemiologic footprint of it all and
1:00:21
track it all and play games with medications and treatments Etc you know that's where we came to love and cherish
1:00:27
Tony fauci and in Africa it was much more of a strategic operation that was
1:00:33
that was like you know a slash burn so I just wanted to build on what you said
1:00:40
about Leonard Horowitz uh his uh great work was published in 1997 1998 99. uh
1:00:49
think of how how much harder it was for him to find sources how much more
1:00:55
laborious it was um he moved the ball forward substantially
1:01:03
on his own and eventually I think what happens is after you've looked at that much dark stuff you just want to listen
1:01:09
to frequency 432 and make tie-dye t-shirts the rest of your life I think there's probably a whole commune in the
1:01:14
world where people have just researched so much dark stuff they're like I just want the frequency and the tie dice that's it I'm done
1:01:21
there's a cost there's a tax the the things that you do to yourself and your
1:01:27
own head uh why am I doing this why would I take this risk I see that people have died I see that all kinds of people
1:01:33
have been cleaned up after secret operations of all of all kinds
1:01:39
not just biological you know it doesn't matter there's there's a cleanup crew and there's a long list of people who
1:01:45
have fallen to their to their untimely deaths off of a four-story parking garage yes unexpectedly or unexpectedly
1:01:52
committed suicide or unexpectedly drowned or had a brief illness you know there's and there's there's
1:01:57
folks who have who have uh gathered those lists of people that we owe a lot
1:02:02
to so that's that's part of why I carry on Dr Horowitz is still with us and yes he's now kind of a happy hippie yep and
1:02:09
I haven't really seen him in the media much uh I think he I think he'd filed a case against the FED over the covid
1:02:16
vaccine um and but beyond that I don't see him getting airtime and I don't think he's
1:02:21
really trying to do press um but boy his book and and he does describe his whole experience of kind of
1:02:28
following uh a divining rod in his gut about where to find some of these materials it's it's quite interesting to
1:02:34
hear his journey and what he would want is for other people I believe I haven't spoken to him personally to take his
1:02:41
work and to modernize it and take it to the next level and then so on and so forth so yes we are going to rehash
1:02:47
because none of us can start from scratch so we will take other people's work and hopefully if you are successful
1:02:54
enough and you're You're darn on your way someday someone will be like you know what this jerk stole Nick's work
1:03:00
you know and that's the way it will be uh and it's about it's not my work and that's not my work it's uh it's
1:03:07
Humanity's work and uh boy I'm just so I'm I was so flattered when somebody said that
1:03:13
okay um thank you so um I don't know how much you've gone
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down the CIA rabbit hole with your your community here what what have they learned about 1973
1:03:25
oh are they are they in the in the 100s the 200s the 300s the 400s you know
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they're uh I think they're probably in the 300s but on other channels I haven't gotten into the CIA stuff that much
1:03:39
myself uh I do have a conspiracy theory
1:03:44
that uh Stanley Gottlieb was uh I think he he won Sydney Sydney excuse me uh he
1:03:51
walked with a a limp um I think he was probably a person of
1:03:57
dual personalities I I again I just host a crazy conspiracy theory uh that the uh
1:04:04
the uh character of Abel and The Usual Suspects was partially modeled after
1:04:11
Steve Gottlieb it's just a crazy Theory I can just imagine you know uh you know
1:04:16
him leaving the building suddenly the the limp goes away you know he just becomes a different person but
1:04:22
whatever uh but I personally am not deep on that path but other people in the chat are so feel free to to speak at
1:04:29
their oh I'm not going to speak out of my you know as they say I'm going to stay in my Lane I'll stay in my area of
1:04:34
expertise as I go all over the landscape with this stuff um I I would say the important piece to
1:04:41
understand about what happened in 1973 is that the director Helms and Dr
1:04:46
Gottlieb who had some nicknames who had been really the key liaison from the
1:04:53
agency to the state department to National Security advisor Kissinger to
1:04:59
uh defense department cohorts Etc they made an Abrupt decision to destroy
1:05:07
records and the two chapters of note were uh operations and evidence of what
1:05:14
occurred in MK Ultra which most folks if they know anything about these two project names uh they know that the
1:05:21
ultraside was about drugs and drugging people and seeing if they could get folks to you know use it as a truth
1:05:28
serum Etc as a as a main you know that's like the main headline that's that's the
1:05:33
the Big Mac of MK Ultra and the MK Naomi path was about Biologicals and for those
1:05:42
of you that don't know MK Naomi part of the focus or the bent in their interest
1:05:47
what was their strategy what do we want out of the lab we want things that can be surreptitiously administered
1:05:54
that may appear to be the onset of a natural disease that will come in over time
1:06:01
we do not care about the most poisonous poison them from you know shellfish
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toxin we don't care about poison darts there's there's stuff that went they
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they got called to the mat they had to testify in Congress more than once throughout the rest of the 70s I also
1:06:18
Post in the timeline here some of the records from the 1977 hearings and it seems like they offer a red
1:06:25
herring CIA goes up and says oh we had shellfish talks and oh we're so sorry we destroyed it we had four little vials of
1:06:31
it oh bad bad us and and that's again one of those uh one
1:06:37
of those mullets uh one of those those icebergs um it was the sacrificial lamb the
1:06:42
things that they were they were willing to put on record they didn't talk about all the things that went that you know
1:06:47
changing viruses from animals to people they didn't talk about cleanup activities killing doctors and lab
1:06:54
assistants who might have dared to talk about it or or question where the work was going to lead you know they might
1:07:00
have there's all kinds of things that didn't come out in the Congressional hearings
1:07:05
um but they destroyed all kinds of [ __ ] and we nobody knows how much and and we
1:07:11
can only speculate the amount of detail um you know the you know they they
1:07:17
thought they got it all and of course in their Panic to cover like think of the
1:07:23
child that wants to cover up its guilty conscience you know they spilled something on the rug and they don't stop
1:07:29
to to think oh it's splattered on the wall too it's up on the paint and they put all their focus on scrubbing the rug
1:07:35
well I think this was a CIA scrubbing the rug because all kinds of copies of incriminating data were already out in
1:07:43
the accounting in the financial channels there was a there was a whole bunch of material that
1:07:48
got redacted because they had to yoink it back from the federal Finance so you
1:07:54
can go to the Congressional records uh you can look at people who've studied this point in history because there have been some excellent books that you know
1:08:01
there are historians who focused on this conduct and on this turn of events but I
1:08:06
think this is where the CIA was able to launder its role in in the bio stuff
1:08:11
so you say his CIA destroys chemical biological weapons records which could also mean I mean when they say destroyed
1:08:20
how can you show that they actually destroyed it I mean we get into this discussion in the uh in the in the
1:08:27
current times of uh like law firms may have a policy where they need to destroy
1:08:35
uh Records after seven years otherwise they become a liability but how can you prove that records are destroyed after
1:08:42
seven years so it is uh they could have actually destroyed them but how do you know why would that and if it was
1:08:48
valuable why would they destroy it when it instead it could just accidentally have been lost and renamed something
1:08:54
else and wound up an acute clearance Department of energy filing cabinet that only a few people know exists well you
1:09:02
and I think in ones and zeros and how easy it is to replicate them yeah and by the you know by the early
1:09:10
70s most of our intelligence apparatus had you know rudiment rudimentary uh
1:09:15
computer systems Beyond you know IBM punch carts so
1:09:20
um uh a replication magnetic replication Etc would be quite easy I do not think
1:09:26
they would have thrown away their science they invested lives people died for that science you know they didn't
1:09:31
pursue it you know for lack of something better to do they did it because they wanted to know the capabilities they Justified it by
1:09:38
saying the Russians are going to do it so we have to do it so you know you can play shell game you know you can you can
1:09:44
but anyhow it um there's all kinds of great data about this
1:09:49
um and I think that it's it's an excellent Testament to the the conduct of people that knew they had a guilty
1:09:55
conscience and how do you know that because there was a big shredding party at headquarters I trust that there was a
1:10:01
whole lot of shredding at headquarters beyond that you're absolutely right you know I'm sure the science wasn't lost to
1:10:09
history and there's his buddy writing about what we're living in right
1:10:14
now the dystopian nightmare uh here's vilab two the facility that Dr
1:10:21
Prince headed up as the New York blood center uh to the Conlan uh experimental project there
1:10:28
he also holds the patent in 1975 among others that says that it's okay to
1:10:34
inject a chimp with Hep B let it become very sick with Hep B and then kill the
1:10:40
animal and filter out what you need to make a human vaccine is his name that's his name on the
1:10:46
pattern is the Happy from a person uh usually yeah they would find a
1:10:51
chronic a chronic human carrier um other names so bat decoder ring time
1:10:56
for those of you that like your bat decoder ring load up another name for Hepatitis B is a u Dash a g the
1:11:05
Australian antigen and before then they were called Dane
1:11:11
particles like Great Dane um uh you you can go way far back in the
1:11:17
literature beyond what the say the Hepatitis B society says well the so and so Dr so-and-so in 1965 uh won the Nobel
1:11:25
Prize for discovering the virus that causes hepatitis B uh uh people were playing around with Hep B and monkeys
1:11:31
and vaccines and transferring it and finding it unintentionally infecting people for years long before that
1:11:39
so that's one of those interesting things where as the name changes and something changes you'll see history
1:11:44
turn a page and try to ignore the pages that came before
1:11:50
and a simple observation is how uh uh on unfiltered uh agents or
1:11:58
unfilterable agents I know they call it filterable agents field triple Agents from humans
1:12:03
can cause some illnesses and primates and vice versa it's that is a is a it's
1:12:11
a simple way of putting it but I think that's a that in and of itself is a very important observation
1:12:17
as they create all these illnesses unnecessarily as part of their research and saving lives
1:12:23
that's a nice house by the way I'm a bit of an architecture nut where is that um this is in a silamar okay so please
1:12:30
so so this is uh the assilimar conference in Pacific Grove California so north northern California coast hmm
1:12:37
and two different notable Gatherings 73 and 75.
1:12:42
and it was basically think of it like a tennis match you know there was a split Court of we're getting funds from the
1:12:50
NIH to make these monster viruses look at our papers woohoo and the other side
1:12:56
of the Court was what are you doing you're insane have you lost your mind if
1:13:01
this stuff ever gets out it's going to be the end of humanity and they had moral debates and people
1:13:06
wrote papers about it you can go back and research the Asylum art conferences and they they certainly knew
1:13:15
um you know they saw the swarm of locusts on the horizon as it came towards them
1:13:20
and here's old good old Maurice who took sv40 away from Dr Bernice Eddy back in
1:13:28
1960 at that meeting and now he's the darling of hepatitis B
1:13:34
vaccine work and development at Merck which by the way was the darling for
1:13:40
most of the biological paperclip scientists when we when the state department and the OSS CIA went over and
1:13:48
accumulated and acquired scientists from the Nazi party
1:13:54
they had propulsion experts they had physicists and they had biological
1:13:59
scientists and a great number of the biologists clustered together at Merck
1:14:04
Maurice hillerman is a uh was idolized by fauci one of fauci's considered uh
1:14:10
fauci considers Hillary to be one of the greatest vaccinologists who ever lived also I've heard uh um that
1:14:18
there are more vaccines on the United States childhood vaccination schedule boy this word is just going to get this
1:14:24
show flagged on YouTube really fast uh that that were manufactured out of or designed out of Maurice hillerman's Labs
1:14:31
than uh than anywhere else so he is a giant in impacting the health of the
1:14:38
United States positively or negatively well I'll let you guys be the judge of that as well as you Nick but Maurice
1:14:44
hillerman is a as a giant in in the in the history of this topic now when Dr Maurice Hillman and Dr
1:14:52
Stanley Plotkin get together do they make one big Pharma giant robot do they become pharmacom oh you know Stanley
1:15:01
plotkin's nine hour deposition of all of the things that were never
1:15:06
tested that are part of the CDC schedule anybody you know that's that wants to
1:15:13
look at history and science look at that it's out on still out on YouTube uh look for Plotkin full deposition it's nine
1:15:19
hours there's a couple versions that have an index and key phrases and key points in the deposition are are time
1:15:26
indexed and you can skip to the good stuff do you think but that's his account his attempt to uh to to die with
1:15:33
a clean conscience uh or is that uh trying to mislead
1:15:38
uh neither got it I think he had no idea that
1:15:46
someone was going to have his number and all of his receipts and the prosecuting
1:15:51
attorney that conducted the deposition knew his entire career and knew it
1:15:57
microscopically and it was all about characterizing his practice of science
1:16:03
his bioethics and his Fitness to be an expert material witness about vaccines
1:16:09
so that is that's one for the history books you guys should download a copy of that so how in the world would they have
1:16:16
done this to people and gotten away with it and not expected for the pitchforks and the Torches to
1:16:21
come for them well you start by making a giant loophole and then you concrete it
1:16:27
and you reinforce it with titanium and they did that starting in 1969 and then
1:16:32
refined here in 1977 is part of the U.S public code now this has been paved over
1:16:40
during the um the Patriot Act era there are new
1:16:45
pieces in place that are even more broad spanning but at the time just in time to
1:16:51
begin the hepatitis experiments on these three gay communities um they they did a couple of things to
1:16:57
this this is a an exceptions Clause that lets them perform any peaceful purpose
1:17:04
that is related to a medical therapeutic pharmaceutical agricultural industrial or research activity meaning they were
1:17:13
Exempted from liability and they were allowed to perform chemical and biological experiments and their
1:17:20
definition at this point that got changed is all they had to do was notify
1:17:25
the governor of the state basically and I I have no idea what that actually
1:17:31
constitutes how much detail if any was given or if they actually complied with
1:17:36
it and the other piece was in 1977 they removed the U.S defense Department's
1:17:42
requirement to do an annual report to Congress of how they'd used this clause
1:17:48
from 69 to 77 they had to give an annual book report from this point on no more
1:17:59
and I've got a broken picture sorry go ahead I was just I just I have no questions in response to that I I are
1:18:07
there any other names by the way that that code would be known as I'm unfamiliar with with legislation
1:18:13
specific to 1977 and this topic uh you can just go into the timeline and copy
1:18:19
and paste uh just uh this portion right here top of the slide and you'll find it
1:18:25
it's still there and I actually have it linked in Cornell you don't even have to search you can just go out to Cornell Law on the link at the bottom here
1:18:31
excellent um and again this has been amended a few times but the fact where there were key
1:18:37
amendments made a year before the launch of the national hepatitis study
1:18:44
which was when 1978 1978 got it
1:18:50
so that's really that there are about three different levels of of this discussion and that's this is kind of
1:18:56
the conclusion of the the 100 level where we actually look at the traditional timeline
1:19:01
um there's there's more interrelationships and dependencies and Analysis in the different discussions
1:19:07
but let's put a bookmark in it there and check for questions or feedback or I'd like to hear your thoughts
1:19:13
uh yes to to the chat uh any any questions I know I've probably missed a
1:19:18
few uh I will scroll back briefly here
1:19:27
one person said believes that YouTube is holding up comments with Kissinger possible totally possible wouldn't put
1:19:34
it past them uh he's the key advisor to leadership at
1:19:41
the w e f and you know they're going to be extending every bit of AI and scripting
1:19:47
and filtering and you know they're gonna they're gonna make every effort to maintain their
1:19:53
they're unblemished public opinion I can't help but notice
1:19:58
that as the the giant that Merc Corporation is and as involved as they
1:20:04
have been in bio Warfare biodefense research genetics
1:20:09
Etc somehow they sat out covid for the most part aside from a couple of antivirals
1:20:16
I know it's a maybe it's a little bit of a different subject but what are your thoughts on that
1:20:21
well I would say that if you and I could just pull back any barriers to data
1:20:28
we would run right to their LLC affiliate Network
1:20:34
and find all of the different versions of Merck that exist in in you know
1:20:40
business in in legal reality um all of the totally unrelated names
1:20:45
that have big shares in the players that got in the game so I I'll bet you they
1:20:52
just used it they sat back and said let's skip liability on this round and just go for intelligent investment
1:21:01
oh okay let's let's ask a different type of question here uh in your research aside from the the authors recently uh
1:21:08
other researchers have you seen any uh uh scientists or virologists that um I
1:21:15
don't know what the public opinion would have been but you were like I you felt you had a good vibe about them like they
1:21:21
were perhaps trying to Buck the system a little bit um steer things in the right direction I
1:21:28
don't know any anyone that you would consider to be because uh we all need we
1:21:34
all could use a couple of heroes in the story from time to time anyone that we might not be aware of or
1:21:41
I was going to say Dr Johanna dinette but there we go um and Dr Kevin uh McCarron and
1:21:51
um they're you know they're really I'm inspired by uh I guess not folks who are trying to take
1:21:58
this on at the global level the ones that are now out on a road show you know taking a you know the Joe Rogan set
1:22:05
um I'm I'm more inspired by individual doctors that are holding spaces uh Dr Hank holds a space and very
1:22:14
carefully dips his toe into that dangerous pool of dissenting from you
1:22:19
know the the common narrative um individual practitioners cardiologists oncologists uh and
1:22:26
particularly Pathologists who are posting and putting their careers directly at risk
1:22:31
um that's that's where my I'm really drawn to admire them and I will follow them and I give a complete political
1:22:39
Hall Pass I don't care if we are Polar Opposites you know I I call myself a
1:22:45
Centrist because I have friends on both sides of the aisle um but uh you know there's definitely behaviors in in both camps that can you
1:22:53
know that are tough for me I'm not far left or far right but there are certain people who I'll just make an exception
1:22:59
for as far as following Behavior you know following on Twitter um because we align so tightly on that
1:23:05
and I see that they're they're really they're doing what they can they're you using their voice it does no not
1:23:12
everybody gets to go on Oprah or Joe Rogan or whoever um you know there's not everybody gets
1:23:18
that platform but they're doing their part so that's to me I'm definitely a fan of the underdog I'm with you there
1:23:24
um uh anyone in the history uh uh we these uh we went over a bunch of events
1:23:30
here going all the way back to 1950s to 1970s any any scientist in that era uh
1:23:37
or is it all just uh a lab of uh of uh
1:23:44
no no no there's Heroes definitely and I named I name uh uh Dr uh Bernice Eddie
1:23:51
and Dr Mary yeah no no the the whistleblowers where are we here oh yeah
1:23:56
and someone earlier did ask about uh I think it was the uh Dr Mary's monkey book I think might have been yes please
1:24:03
yes please I highly recommend it and here's why it's an excellent honeycomb
1:24:09
it's a cameo from an eyewitness and the the author was not a grown person at the
1:24:14
time that all this stuff happened he was a kid but he was a first-hand eyewitness met some of these people
1:24:21
um and it's quite an important uh Cameo about what could have happened inside of many of these little honeycomb cells
1:24:28
these small scientific teams kind of like the Manhattan Project that have their little piece and are probably told
1:24:36
uh depending upon what they're working on that they probably had to sign non-disclosure agreements there might
1:24:41
have been threats of fines and imprisonment Etc and at the end of Dr Mary's monkey
1:24:47
you'll see what happens when science has a conscience and speaks up and probably
1:24:53
puts that puts itself at risk you'll see what the consequences can be but I
1:25:00
really really recommend that book and I'm a big fan of Ed Haslam awesome
1:25:05
uh any other questions here dead Teddy who I'm looking for questions in the chat everyone let me go back another
1:25:11
minute uh is Merck short for Merkel some family I don't believe so
1:25:18
Scott uh did you but uh on that topic do you
1:25:23
know if there's any relationship I couldn't find any between the most recent FDA director Gottlieb and Sydney
1:25:28
Gottlieb uh you mentioned that to me offline and I could not find a link uh I
1:25:34
I'll admit there's always too much to read so I don't think I've I've necessarily uh burrowed in but I'd like
1:25:41
to find out yeah I mean it's possible uh to to the to the chat uh I I constantly
1:25:48
see a false accusation that the uh Frederick Taylor Gates uh who ran a lot
1:25:55
of the uh vaccine experiments at Fort Riley uh in 1917 1918 heading into the
1:26:02
Spanish flu season is related to Bill Gates uh junior William Henry Gates III of
1:26:07
Microsoft and that's just not true they're just not related uh maybe go back 20 Generations
1:26:13
but they're just not related uh so God leaves a more unique name but sometimes
1:26:20
you just happen to find two people of uh of significance and they're not related so
1:26:25
um until evidence is otherwise I I'm still saying that they're not but I'd ask thank you oh look at all these I
1:26:31
love these indexes that you have here all these citations excellent work so
1:26:37
there's a few that are full text and and a few very rare uh very very you
1:26:44
know unusual birds that I posted myself um so this is one of them if you search
1:26:50
for Gallo in the bibliography uh go to this Google Drive Link and you'll get
1:26:55
one of his papers where he's studying pathogens that are transforming cells
1:27:01
that's cancer um and this is from the end of the program this is from progress report
1:27:06
number 15. um there were dozens and dozens of Gallow papers that I could have included but I tried to start literally coming
1:27:13
back to giving credit where credit is due the OG whistleblowers and I did a
1:27:19
decent concentric bibliography from their materials and I added a percentage
1:27:25
of additional we'll say spackle I found I found a couple things they hadn't and I added some fortification particularly
1:27:31
in the medical primatology space um but there's also if you'll look for
1:27:37
NIH there's some Kapowski papers uh Saul Krugman Prince
1:27:44
and when you get to the NCI here is
1:27:52
let's see uh M4 uh
1:27:57
uh oh no sorry not NCI NIH here's one of the progress reports
1:28:02
there's a link right off the bibliography to the full text this is over 300 Pages folks and if this starts
1:28:08
freaking you out step away from the internet just close the internet and go watch something happy
1:28:15
um because this is tough this is some real rough stuff well we've all been living our lives this vein of activity
1:28:21
occurs and it's a reality it gets dressed up with soldiers they always put
1:28:27
the grunt the the brother or sister that we love that served in the armed forces
1:28:33
they always put that as our concept of what the defense department is unfortunately that's the tip of the
1:28:40
iceberg and this stuff has been going on all along and now they've whitewashed it and outsourced biowarfare as an ongoing
1:28:47
Department into the health apparatus into the NIH so I would say go and get go and get a couple of these and you can
1:28:55
find your favorite names there's a lot of German names a lot of German names and if I may I'll show uh my site here
1:29:01
if you go to houstonicits.com and under the uh
1:29:07
come on now of course it won't work here under the v's
1:29:14
uh why of course why said that happen like that
1:29:19
uh under V special virus cancer program I have multiple articles that I've been
1:29:25
able to accumulate on the subject there's probably about 20 or so of the
1:29:34
large reports which have been released only several are available there's
1:29:39
several which are not that could just be coincidence I'm sure they were not published in great quantities
1:29:45
or maybe they are quite damning and they are being hidden or they've been destroyed either way there's several
1:29:52
other others here but it's by no stretch of the imagination a complete set uh it
1:29:58
is interesting though to see how they uh progressed uh over time
1:30:03
um I always find that uh history is valuable in the sense that uh you can
1:30:11
see how narratives have changed and when you see how narrass how things have been
1:30:16
described change usually you can get insights you can use that as metadata and get a
1:30:22
lot of insights that you wouldn't find otherwise there's a lot of data that can be extracted from mainstream sources if
1:30:29
you're just willing to look at how it changes over time uh it gives you a great Insight uh into what the most
1:30:37
current version may not give you so anyways it is one of the more important programs to go through look at all the
1:30:42
names near Everyone by the way and if you think it's disconnected from current events uh I mean I'll just say that
1:30:49
Murray Gardner of uh University of California Davis worked with Gallo in fact he's the person who carried the the
1:30:56
sample back in his pocket in aluminum foil and he was the postdoc
1:31:02
advisor for Dr uh Robert Malone at UC at
1:31:07
UC Davis so many people in the news today uh on the battle on all sides regardless
1:31:14
of what people may think of them are very much tied into the history so the
1:31:19
history does matter it will help you obviously helps you helps me and you in the chat have have insights which you
1:31:26
may not be able to get otherwise any closing thoughts how can people see you support you Etc and I hopefully you'll agree to come
1:31:34
back for a episode two at some point in the future I'd enjoy that
1:31:39
um uh you can find me on Twitter and I'm at Pizza pickles per p u r so
1:31:48
um strange name but uh also we can you know we can just I'm I'm Nick I'm just a
1:31:54
space cat on Twitter so yes um no photos right there you know it's a
1:31:59
multi-colored uh rainbow color really cool really stylish uh helmet
1:32:05
yep yep yep that's my that's my tip of the hat to 2001.
1:32:10
um but um I support myself so uh I don't maintain a website because of the nature
1:32:16
of this material and the fact that some of the early whistleblowers paid the ultimate price for bringing the information forward I've been diligent
1:32:23
whether it's Overkill um I'm just happy to say I'm still here doing it five years later I've been I've
1:32:29
been doing broadcast for about five years so um just take a look at the
1:32:34
material uh don't run to people and or look at the first two or three returns
1:32:39
you get on the internet as a validation method it's it's a it's a very serious
1:32:45
scientific foundation and you don't have to learn all the vocabulary you don't have to read all of the papers but if
1:32:52
you do want to come back we can do another uh you know we can continue the conversation and take it forward from
1:32:57
here and drill down on some of the things someone like we can talk about naysayers
1:33:03
um uh maybe maybe what I would consider to be probably chaos agents or controlled assets as the story of HIV
1:33:10
unfolded in the 80s we can talk a little more specifically if you want about the
1:33:16
science in the lab about what this really meant how did this how did it really happen from A to B
1:33:22
um and uh and anything else in between sounds awesome there's also a couple of
1:33:27
round tables with multiple other doctors including Kevin McCarron including Dr Denair and others whose names I just
1:33:34
can't remember the top of my head right now um on the we talk you listen site maintained by the Kevin McCarron
1:33:42
Community I posted a couple on my pages so you can see more of Nick's work and
1:33:48
the group's work there as well thank you so much Nick for your time really appreciate it great show great content
1:33:54
as always and uh thanks so much man God bless keep up the fight hey YouTube
1:33:59
thanks again for having me take care everybody [Music]
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