1930 bestseller Jews Without Money

... = hilite ...
1pm, finished a good one: midwest prof from kommie nest on one of his faves: Mike Gold 

.... the leftie vs zionist jewsoulsplit reflected in a real estate scheme. He also ran a nice mag. ... and more ...
hemmin n hawin alert ...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYvhWfiuFjg
jewish antiZ .. Letters and Politics
 A History of Jewish Anti-Zionism: From The Communist Party to The New Left
Letters and Politics
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Guest: Benjamin Balthaser is associate professor of multi-ethnic US literature at Indiana University, South Bend. He is the author of Anti-Imperialism Modernism: Race and Transnational Radical Culture from the Great Depression to the Cold War, and Dedication, a personal history of growing up in a Jewish "red diaper" family. His forthcoming book from Verso, Citizens of the Whole World:  The American Jewish Left and Cultures of Anti-Zionism, is due to be out this fall.


Piety Piet duh Pious Poet Adds a Comment: 

bet that book won't even come close to covering as many 'cultsurreal' tentacularpsyoperatrix as i do here:

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semi sem sems ------ my first 2 decades of this jewtury:

just don't be claimin nobody warned you
... here's nearly 3k pages for catch uppers:
happy nationalism jewideyots!
https://archive.org/details/happy-nationalism-jewideyots
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the up too close cringe version [with some distractions of what exactly i got sidetracked / derailed from .. before the happy end: my eyes opened to the fact i am not to throw pearls before swine]:

https://archive.org/details/piety-piet-close-up-or-closeted-up.
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217 Comments

@jmiller3415
6 days ago (edited)
It’s not surprising that the Jewish left — and much of the left in general — was optimistic about the future of the United States. Remember that Karl Marx was quite optimistic about the U.S. during his lifetime. Marx followed the U.S. Civil War closely, and was a huge admirer of Abraham Lincoln (particularly after Lincoln proved to be able to win the Civil War and to abolish slavery). Indeed, Marx thought that perhaps the United States would someday be able to become a Communist country without bloodshed, but rather through the vote (of black freemen and white working-class men), as the necessary bloodshed had occurred, in effect, during the Civil War.
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@sunnymitra6372
6 days ago
Proves that Marx never had any foresight or brain
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@jmiller3415
5 days ago
 @sunnymitra6372  Or maybe Marx used his intelligence to read into political/economic situations those things he wanted to see. High-level wishful thinking, in essence.
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@honeybeechanger
1 day ago
Yes yes you're right Marx was wrong about so many things.
@SteveGoldfield
9 days ago
There is a lot missing in this presentation. For example, two of the best-known Jewish anti-Zionists of the 1960s were authors and activists Alfred Lilienthal (he described himself to me as a Wendell Wilkie Republican) and Rabbi Elmer Berger, who was the executive director of the American Council on Judaism and later of American Jewish Alternatives to Zionism. Noam Chomsky, incidentally, described himself to me as a non-state Zionist. He said he was raised as a Zionist but opposed the creation of a Zionist state. Jewish anti-Zionists like myself and Hilton Obenzinger and many others were key leaders of the nationwide Palestine Solidarity Committee in the 1980s. Then there is the massive orthodox Jewish anti-Zionist movement which opposes Zionism on religious grounds. So there is a lot more to cover. Stalin, incidentally, thought Israel was going to be a socialist state, which was why he smuggled arms into Palestine in violation of the ceasefire agreement and then supported the creation of Israel.
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@beyondaboundary6034
8 days ago
Any recommendations for sources on the activists and organizations you mentioned?
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@SteveGoldfield
7 days ago
 @beyondaboundary6034  Books by Lilienthal and Berger are easy to find online. Both of them have wikipedia pages. There are a lot of books out there on Zionism and its history, including in the US. I hope to publish our interview with Elmer Berger as soon as I can get my hands on it. If I remember correctly, we interviewed him for a few hours. One of the things he told us was that Zionists took over the rabbinical seminaries (he was Reform; I don't know if that also happened in Conservative and Orthodox seminaries) in the 1940s. Stalin's role in smuggling arms to the Zionists via Czechoslavakia is well-known and is discussed in many books. Lenni Brenner's "Zionism in the Age of Dictators" covers the involvement of Zionists, particularly the most right-wing, with Mussolini and Hitler during WW II. Note that one of the three Zionist leaders to write to Hitler offering to fight with him against the British, Yitzhak Shamir, was later elected prime minister of Israel. That was widely known in Israel, though not in the US. Long ago, too long ago to remember where, I read a history of Zionism in the US, which praised Supreme Court Justice Brandeis for upholding Zionism when nobody would support it, which would have been about a century ago.
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@SteveGoldfield
7 days ago
I'll add one more prominent Jewish anti-Zionist with an interesting story. My old friend, Yigal Arens, is the son of a former Likud Israeli defense minister, Moshe Arens. Yigal and his uncle, Richard Arens, were and are both vocally anti-Zionist. Yigal is currently a professor at USC. I don't know if his uncle is still alive. Someone recently asked Yigal how and why he became an anti-Zionist. He tweets so much that I can't find it, but basically he said that he saw what was happening to the Palestinians and could not support it. He is worth following on Twitter because he uncovers so much, a lot of it in Hebrew, that you might otherwise miss.
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@johnwilsonwsws
6 days ago
@SteveGoldfield, you say "Stalin, incidentally, thought Israel was going to be a socialist state"  

I have seen that asserted a few times but never a source.  It seems unlikely given the inconsistent and opportunist history of Stalinism as well as the fact they didn't even expect socialism to emerge in the territories of East Europe that were occupied by the Red Army at the end of WWI^.   
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Please excuse the length of my comment below.  I have been trying to research this issue and just found the following which I think is of interest.

At Yalta in 1945 the following exchange happened
"  Marshall Stalin said the Jewish problem was a very difficult one - that they had tried to establish a national home of the Jews in Virovidzan but that they had only stayed there two or three years and then scattered to the cities.  He said the Jews were natural traders but much had been accomplished by putting small groups in some agricultural areas.
  The President [Roosevelt] said he was a Zionist and asked if Marshall Stalin was one.
  Marshall Stalin said he was one in principle but he recognized the difficulty"
(cited in "Stalin's Zionism" by Bernard D. Weinryb. Proceedings of the American Academy for Jewish Research

Vol. 46/47, Jubilee Volume (1928-29 / 1978-79) [Part 2] (1979 - 1980), pp. 555-572 (18 pages)

Published By: American Academy for Jewish Research.  Available on JStor)

Weinryb outlines various theses behind the Stalin's "Zionism" and the Stalinist support for the creation of Israel including
- [Stalin] ... may have "simply intended to placate 'the naivete and vanity' of President Roosevelt" (p.570)
- "Or Stalin may have mistaken Roosevelt's Zionism as an intention to dismantle Great Britain's world-wide status and expel her from the Middle East, as he was expressing his wish to participate in this process of dissolution of the British Empire." (p.570, same par. as above)
- "... the possibility of using the Jewish settlement as a nucleus for anti-English rule in the Middle East, and for penetrating the Jewish community through 'subversion and betrayal'" (p.571)
- One of Stalin's advisers at Yalta, the vice-commissar of Foreign Affairs Ivan Maisky, suggested Stalin become a "Zionist"

Weinryb notes that during this time (1942-1945) Stalin's antisemitism was increasing.  

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The Trotskyists have a more consistent assessment:  
"... In the 1920s, the Palestine Communist Party had fought for a unified movement of Jewish and Arab workers. However, the nationalist degeneration of the Stalinist parties found reflection in the PCP, which split into two sections along ethnic lines before the end of World War II. The Soviet bureaucracy completed its betrayal of the working class of the region by supporting the creation of Israel as part of its post-war agreements with imperialism. In contrast, the Fourth International advanced an internationalist position based on the unification of the working class. It wrote in 1948:

    "The Fourth International rejects as utopian and reactionary the “Zionist solution” of the Jewish question. It declares that total renunciation of Zionism is the sine qua non condition for the merging of Jewish workers’ struggles with the social, national and liberationist struggles of the Arab toilers. It declares that to demand Jewish immigration into Palestine is thoroughly reactionary just as it is reactionary to call for immigration of any oppressor people into colonial countries in general. It holds that the question of immigration as well as the relations between Jews and Arabs can be decided adequately only after imperialism has been ousted by a freely elected Constituent Assembly with full rights for the Jews as a national minority.[1]... "
[Socialist Equality Party (United States)  The Historical and International Foundations of the Socialist Equality Party (United States) The Establishment of Israel.
[1] Second World Congress of the Fourth International, “Struggles of the Colonial Peoples and the World Revolution,” Fourth International, July 1948, p. 157.]
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^ - In 1945 Klement Gottwald [leader of the  Communist Party of Czechoslovakia (KSČ)] said "in spite of the favourable situation, the next goal is not soviets and socialism, but rather carrying out a really thorough democratic national revolution". The KSČ  carried out a coup in February 1948 when it was clear they would lose the election. During this time Czechoslovakia supplied the bulk of weapons to the Zionists used in the 1948-49 war. See the Wikipedia entry "Arms shipments from Czechoslovakia to Israel"
@thecrimsondragon9744
5 days ago
What does 'non-state Zionist' even mean? Isn't that an oxymoron?
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@johnwilsonwsws
4 days ago
​ @thecrimsondragon9744  I thought 'non-state Zionist' referred to those advocating migration to Palestine with legal and peaceful coexistence under whatever authority existed.  (I haven't studied this but as far as I know there were groups calling for migration from the 1860s or 1870s, well before the WZO was founded in 1897).

It should be noted that in 1862 Moses Hess wrote From Rome to Jerusalem, 35 years before the WZO.  He wrote:
- “The Jewish popular masses will participate in the great historical movement of modern mankind only when it will have a Jewish homeland.”
-  “Why fool ourselves? The European nations have always perceived the existence of Jews in their midst as an anomaly. We shall always be strangers among nations … The Germans hate less the Jewish religion than they hate their race … Neither religious reform nor baptism, neither Enlightenment nor Emancipation will open the gates of social life before the Jews.”
-  France, “will help the Jews to found colonies which may extend from Suez to Jerusalem and from the banks of the Jordan to the Mediterranean.”

Theodore Herzl later commented that if he had been familiar with Hess’s book, it would not have been necessary for him to write his own Der Judenstaat, the Jewish State.

For a discussion of this history read/watch:
  Genocide in Gaza: Imperialism descends into the abyss
  https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/11/20/jhqc-n20.html
  World Socialist Web Site
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@JeffShacter
4 days ago
How does it feel to hate yourself?
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@jacovawernett3077
2 days ago
Steve, are you still anti Israel? My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. God is my Father and rabbi. ( I was born March 11th in Bethlehem) God spoke fifty sentences to me from above to my ear. His first nine sentences to me were 8.4.2015 in the morning. Since then I have told people and timestamped many prescient visions that came true.
11.17.2015, Eve Beach, Waikiki, early evening. I couldn't find a book reading so I sat under the stars alone. God asked me, What side of the blade are you on. I answered, The side of the righteous my words are my sword. He then showed me my ascension to Heaven. He said, Make Israel one. You are anchor. Note the noun Israel. It's a name and country. God's last sentence to me was four years ago after many months. He said one sentence. You are Princess Messenger of.
In Aramaic, Amira Malaka Elah.
Death to Israel is against God's will. L'chaim
@davidgamble955
5 days ago
This deserves a second listen
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@nawafdreams
9 days ago
 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:

00:00  History of Jewish anti-Zionism in the US
- Anti-Zionist Jewish activism has roots in the first half of the 20th century, particularly in the American left and Communist Party.
- The speaker's guest, Benjamin Bazer, is an expert on this topic and discusses the evolution of Zionism in the Jewish community.
01:10 ️ Challenging the "Zionism as Jewishness" narrative
- The consensus that Zionism is central to Jewish identity is a relatively recent development, emerging in the 1970s.
- Prior to this, major Jewish institutions like the ADL and American Jewish Committee were focused on a range of issues, including civil rights and aiding Jewish refugees.
- Zionism only became the dominant focus of these organizations after the 1967 Six-Day War.
04:52 🇺S Shift in US support for Israel after 1967
- The US government's strong support for Israel after the 1967 war was a key factor in the growing association of Zionism with American liberalism and patriotism.
- The portrayal of Israel as a scrappy, militarily superior ally against Soviet-backed Arab nationalists resonated with the American public at a time when the US was struggling in the Vietnam War.
- This US "love affair" with Israel led many American Jews, particularly liberals, to align their Jewish identity with Zionism and support for the Israeli state.
09:00 🇺🇸 Zionism as American identity
- The Zionist consensus among American Jews emerged at a time when Jews were being "incorporated into mainstream whiteness" and suburban middle-class life.
- Supporting Zionism became a way for American Jews to assert their identity as both good Jews and good Americans.
- This is now being challenged, especially by younger Jews, who see aligning with the Israeli state and its military actions as antithetical to older Jewish traditions of supporting civil rights and democracy.
12:10  Jewish left's anti-Zionist stance in the 1930s
- In the 1930s, the Jewish left, including the Communist Party which had a large Jewish membership, saw Zionism as a form of ethno-nationalism aligned with fascism.
- They critiqued Zionism for aligning the interests of the Jewish working class with the Jewish bourgeoisie, rather than pursuing internationalist, anti-imperialist goals.
- This perspective saw Zionism's alliance with British imperialism as antithetical to the interests of the oppressed.
17:24  Limits of "socialist Zionism"
- Even some left-wing Zionist groups like Hashomer Hatzair recognized that the practical reality of building a Jewish state would inevitably involve violence and the expulsion of the native Palestinian population.
- This conflict between socialist ideals and the nationalist project of statebuilding was a source of unease and disillusionment for some on the Jewish left.
- The long Jewish tradition of opposing state violence and seeing nation-states as inherently threatening to vulnerable minority groups also influenced the Jewish left's critique of Zionism.
22:49  Jewish left's critique of state violence
- The Jewish left has a long-standing tradition of seeing state power and nationalism as fundamentally dangerous for vulnerable minority groups like Jews.
- This perspective views the violence and displacement inherent in nation-building projects like Zionism as anathema to Jewish values of non-violence and opposition to oppression.
23:29  Mike Gold and the anti-Zionist Jewish left in the 1930s
- Mike Gold was a prominent Jewish leftist writer in the 1930s whose novel "Jews Without Money" portrayed Zionism as aligned with bourgeois, reactionary politics.
- Gold's novel presented Zionism as a project of Jewish middle-class suburbanization and assimilation into whiteness, in contrast with the multiracial, working-class solidarity of the Jewish left.
- The anti-Zionist views expressed in Gold's work were common among the Jewish left in this period, seeing Zionism as a nationalist movement at odds with internationalist, anti-imperialist leftist politics.
29:14  The impact of the Holocaust on Zionism
- The role of the Holocaust in driving support for a Jewish state is often overstated, as even after the Holocaust, the Jewish left continued to oppose Zionism.
- While the influx of Jewish refugees created demographic pressure, the Jewish left argued that a Jewish state should not be created by displacing the indigenous Palestinian population.
- It was the Soviet Union's surprise support for partition and the creation of Israel in 1947 that was a major turning point, leading many on the left to begrudgingly accept Zionism.
35:56 ️ Anti-Zionism and the American left in the 1950s-1960s
- During the Red Scare and McCarthy era of the 1950s, the American left was preoccupied with defending against anticommunist persecution and repression, causing Israel-Palestine issues to take a backseat.
- However, the 1960s saw a resurgence of anti-Zionist politics on the left, as the Six Day War and the Palestinian liberation struggle became tied to broader Third World decolonization movements.
- Many prominent figures of the 1960s New Left, including Jews like Noam Chomsky and Abbie Hoffman, were vocal critics of Zionism and supporters of the Palestinian cause.
43:25 ️ The complex relationship between Jews and leftist politics
- While there has historically been a strong connection between Jews and leftist/progressive movements, this is not an inherent or automatic relationship.
- The modern state of Israel, with its right-wing governments, demonstrates that being Jewish does not necessarily make one a leftist.
- However, the Jewish left's critique of nationalism, state violence, and support for the dispossessed has deep roots in Jewish history and tradition, contributing to this longstanding association.
44:32  The Jewish Enlightenment and liberal politics
- The French Revolution's granting of citizenship to Jews marked the beginning of a "Jewish Enlightenment" and association between Jews and liberal, pluralistic values.
- As a minority group historically facing persecution, Jews have often thrived in tolerant, secular societies, leading to a stereotype of Jews as natural liberals.
- However, this relationship is complex, as the modern state of Israel demonstrates that being Jewish does not automatically make one a leftist.
45:57  American Jewish leftism as a distinct tradition
- Contrary to the notion of socialism as a "foreign import" to America, American Jewish leftism had deep roots in 19th century Jewish immigrant communities.
- The interaction between German socialists fleeing repression and Yiddish-speaking Jewish immigrants in cities like New York and Milwaukee fostered the growth of a unique American Jewish socialist tradition.
- This Jewish left saw parallels between the struggles of Jews and African Americans, leading to a strong alliance with civil rights movements.
50:21 🇺🇸 Jewish communists as American patriots
- Many Jewish communists and socialists in the early 20th century saw their leftist politics as compatible with, or even integral to, being a good American.
- They viewed America's formal democracy and pluralism as providing opportunities for organizing and advocating for their values that were denied to Jews in other contexts.
- This patriotic strain within the Jewish left led to a sincere embracing of American symbols and institutions, even as they critiqued the country's racism and oppression.

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@phillipblair9511
8 days ago
Some of these are some of my recent ancestors; their memory is a blessing!
Any ancestors who were doing bullying like Apartheid-Zionism or Kahanism, they are rejected by us. Anyone being a bully now, especially when they NOW KNOW better, they will be rejected by their descendants too.

Thank you both!
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@JasonCunliffe
9 days ago (edited)
I recommend everyone to read and listen to
Tony Greenstein
"Zionism During the Holocaust  ~The Weaponisation of Memory in the Service of State and Nation"

Marvellous book
2022
Terrific resource
and his online interviews, articles related to this conversation and more

Very important voice and research
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@lanceroberthough1275
7 days ago
The confirmation bias of this man is incredible azra the list of things that he is conflating. Proof that anyone can write a book.
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@dl1361
10 days ago
Thanks. A very interesting interview
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@victormeidan1062
8 days ago
The elephant in th phone booth is demographics.
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Israeli Jews have the highest birth rate in OECD at 3 kids per couple.  This means a100,000 increase annually.  US Jews are shrinking with 40% not marrying and a very low birth rate for those that do.  The future geographic dispersion of World Jewry is obvious.
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@kennethhymes9734
6 days ago
Fantastic guest, subscribed. One quibble, not perhaps important to the thrust: can Israel be said to have defeated "soviet backed arab nationalists"  (in quotes only to denote that this is Balthasar's characterization, not mine) single handedly? Surely the hand of the US and a few other countries sending money and providing military infrastructure is part of the picture?  And just broadly speaking... whatever Israel has was either taken from the Palestinians or brought in from outside... so it is pretty much not a thing for Israel to do ANYthing "single handed," no?
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@RobinHerzig
7 days ago
Looking forward to this book  great interview thanx
@315pasha
7 days ago
Great channel. Great interviews. Thank you for making serious content in a world where nonsense sells. Good work!
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@michaelfoley3777
7 days ago
Brilliant thanks!
You simply must interview Dr Yaakov Shapero?
In doing so, will give All viewers a much greater understanding of, "what is the true meaning of Zionism!!!
Sincerely Michael Foley